On March 3, I got this email:
...so call me I have a selkirk friend coming thru today
Holyfold Scottish Folds
423-261-2049
www.holyfold.com
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Then I got a phone call from Stephanie Smith telling me that a friend of hers was visiting with a bunch of Selkirks she needed to place.  She told me what there was and the prices, and I expressed interest in purchasing an adult female.  She called me back later and told me her friend wanted to meet me with the cat and wanted cash for the purchase.  I told her I wanted CFA papers with the cat.  I explained that I had had bad experiences in the past, and she told me I did not need to worry.  Stephanie told me that her friend had picked up the cats from her sister and did not have the papers with her but that I would certainly get them because she vouched for Debra's reliability.

I arranged to meet Debra Sutherland - I was very pleased when I saw the cat and there were several other lovely Selkirks in the back of her truck.  She explained that her sister had wanted to breed and she had placed the cats with her but that her sister couldn't stand the mess and had suddenly asked her to take all the cats, which had been loose in her sister's home.  She promised me and my husband that she would get CFA papers off to me after she got home to Texas.  I asked her about the pedigree, and she told me the cat's father was Caesar (Baron x Chloe) and the mother was Little Miss Molly Madison.  I wrote this down on the bank envelope I had the cash in, and Debra wrote her cattery name and email address on the envelope.  It occurred to me that the cat could be pregnant if there was a loose male, and I asked about that.  Debra said that there had been a loose male - a straight chocolate Selkirk - and said that if the cat was pregnant, she would also provide registration papers for the kittens.

I took the cat to my vet and had her checked over and checked for leukemia - everything appeared fine and we went home.  I sent this email to Debra:

To: Lapurrfect@speednet.com
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Hi Debra,
If you get this, assume you had a safe trip home.  All has gone fairly well so far with the little girl.  .... I am attaching a picture of her and the pedigree I put together last night.  Please let me know if I have it right and those are indeed her parents, etc.  And, do you know who she is, name-wise? ...
Ces
 

Sire Ch La Purr'fect The Great Ceasar  Seal Lynx Point/Wh SRX 5760-1300528 1/31/2000	Sire QdGch The Great Red Baron of Lapurr'fect  Red/White SRX  4760-1293326 4/15/1998	Sire Finger Mr Multurd of La Purr'fect  Black & White SRX  9/30/1996	Sire Oaktree Ropers Masquerade of Finger  4780-1092772 Black/White SRX	Sire Jelci Starman Red Tabby/White BSH
				Dam Oaktree Licorice Ripple Black SKX SH 3/4 BSH 1/8 Per
			Dam Finger Beginning-of-Something Great  4799-1131493 Seal Tortie Point SRX	Sire SpGCh Oaktree Nickelby Redpt SKX  19/32 Per/1/8BSH/1/8ESH
				Dam Finger Something Different (Judon)  Tortie/White CPC PER
		Dam Marskitkat Tara Darling  Tortie & White PER  0149-924407 8/2/1990	Sire Anbur Sprite of Honiehill  0104-370351	Sire Jem Peppeto of Anbur
				Dam Jem Sugar Babe
			Dam Marskitkat Callie  0149-654982	Sire Cookicat Cash
				Dam Anbur Annie
	Dam La Purr'fect My Dearest Cloie  Brown Ptch Tby/Wh SRX  5761-1230640 8/14/1998	Sire La Purr'fect Spanky's Gang  Brown Tabby/White PER  1142-1166661 4/16/1997	Sire Smoochyfaces Googles  0106-1054405	Sire Hypnotique Touch of Class
				Dam Kitkat Kandybar
			Dam Misti-Ameis Alex  0199-1077252	Sire Kittikamir Mr Ricco
				Dam Pokorny Neis Dove of Msti-Ameis
		Dam Pamacs Elvira of La Purr'Fect  Black SRX  5709-1124366 7/11/1996	Sire Lil'BoPeep Raoul of Pamacs  4708-750858	Sire NoFace Orange Roughy Red SKX 1/4Pers
				Dam Ch Markim First Time Kyra SP Pers
			Dam Flameglo's Babys Breath of Pamacs Seal Point PER  3273-795255	Sire Littlereno Dino Seal Point
				Dam Demilo's Whitney Low Tortoiseshell
Dam La Purr'fect Lil'Miss Molly Madison  Tortie Point SRX  5983-1161657 7/7/1997	Sire Wilnbri Always and Forever  Cream Point PER  3296-994402 5/11/1995	Sire Genp Lemondrop Dagmars Queenie  Blue Point PER  3276-871395 5/4/1993	Sire Ch Foxrun's Blue Chip of Wilnbri  3006-638707	Sire GCh Foxrun's Great Pretender
				Dam Kenkat's Giorgi Girl of Foxrun
			Dam Citnkboodles April Oneil of Wilnbri  3051-764296	Sire GCh Bams Remington of Citnkboodles
				Dam Pudditak's Kaleidoscope
		Dam Wilnbri Yance  Blue Cream Point PER  3289-925276 9/10/1993	Sire Mr. Cherokee Warrior of Wilnbri  3278-843719 Flame Point	Sire Alphonso Chico
				Dam Amanda Cara
			Dam Chelsey Bun 3293-943723 Tortie Point	Sire
				Dam
	Dam Pamacs Alfalfa of La Purr'fect  Copper Eyed White SRX  5703-1124368 5/2/1997	Sire Oaktree Socrates  Red SRX  5710-750879 7/1/1991	Sire NoFace Oscar Kowalski  4760-750792	Sire Ch PhotoFinish of Deekay Persian
				Dam Miss DePesto of NoFace SKX
			Dam Oaktree Truly Scrumptious  2541-549207	Sire Jelci Lord Roustabout Cream BSH
				Dam Ch Oaktree Princess Florizel Tortoiseshell BSH
		Dam Castlkatz Curley Cat of Pamacs  Copper Eyed White SRX  5703-897910 1/28/1993	Sire Frostypaws Ram Beau of Castlkatz  5708-750859 Black SRX	Sire GCh New Dawn Ebony Prince of Frostypaws Black ESH
				Dam NoFace Sheela of Frostypaws 1/2 Pers
			Dam Castlkatz Beatrix Potter  Copper Eyed White BSH 2503-746772	Sire GCh Castlkatz Country Squire Black
				Dam Swaby Muylady of Castlkatz

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Debra wrote back:
Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:19:36 -0600
From: "Lapurrfect" <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
To: "Knightwares"
I'm home. I don't think she has had any shots. ... The Sire side of the pedigree I know is right, The other I'm not sure. I'll have to look back on all of it. Right now I'm trying to recover from the drive.
Be sure and start her on the three way shots. Don't let her around any cats for about 48 hours after the first shot.
Debra
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I wrote back to Debra:
To: Lapurrfect
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Hi,
Glad to hear from you. I did mean to ask you about the shots, but it could be a problem. When I first got her, I looked at her nipples, and the hair was in a little circle but they looked small and white. Today they are more pink and could be getting larger, and I did feel at least one pea-sized object in her belly. What do you think about vaccinating with Felocell-4 (modified live) at this stage? I'll also talk with my vet tomorrow. .... Did she have her kitten shots?
Ces
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Debra wrote back:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 19:09:11 -0600
From: "Lapurrfect" <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
To: "Knightwares"
I'm guessing no shots. You can give a two way shot even if she is PG, but not the others. If you feel she is PG just keep her away from other cats until you know for sure. Most of us have stopped using 4-way shots. There are some problems with them.
Debra
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I wrote back:
To: Lapurrfect
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Was she born at your sister's? I'm afraid of rhino if she hasn't been vaccinated for it. Would cause her to lose the kittens if she got it. Will talk with my vet tomorrow. Do you know if she has a name?
Ces
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And Debra replied:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:52:25 -0600
From: "Lapurrfect" <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
To: "Knightwares"
yes she was.
You can vac for it at six months/ Do not use on kittens. This will cause kittens to have weepy eyes that will follow into adults.
Debra
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And Debra added:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:53:11 -0600
From: "Lapurrfect" <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
To: "Knightwares"
Her name is Patches. She was my sister companion.
Debra
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And then I wrote:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:03:45 -0500
To: Lapurrfect <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
Hello Debra,
Any word on the paperwork for Patches? aka Patchouli. She appears to be definitely pregnant, unless someone was feeding her watermelon seeds before she got here. Today a visitor looked at her and remarked on her being pregnant. She remains caged separately, because I haven't vaccinated her because of suspecting the pregnancy - she's doing well and seems very content. ...
[and I sent my address]
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Debra did not reply
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And I wrote:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:02:53 -0400
To: Lapurrfect <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
Hi,
Pictures of Patchouli and kittens attached. Born overnight. You said father was straighthair chocolate? Any way to tell if kittens are chocolate at birth? 1 straight male, 1 curly male (darker), 1 curly female (darker). Cheers.
Cesmir
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And Debra replied:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:27:36 -0500
From: "Lapurrfect" <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
To: "Knightwares"
no, you will have at least two weeks to see the color points. Congrat on the litter. We are working on the cat USA Ad for the Selkirk Rex.
Debra
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And I wrote:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:32:48 -0400
To: Lapurrfect <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
Hello again,
This being my first litter of Selkirks, I don't know what is normal. The straight boy is growing much faster than the 2 curlies. They seem kind of listless and dehydrated - but when I pick them up, they are round and solid. I don't know whether to be real concerned or whether their coat just makes them seem that way. ??
Cesmir
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And Debra replied:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:16:29 -0500
From: "Lapurrfect" <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
To: "Knightwares"
Pull the straight hair when several time when they feed and see if the little one catch up.
Debra
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:12:38 -0400
To: Lapurrfect <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
Thanks - I gave him to another mother with a kitten 6 days older - they seem to be doing fine, as he's a big fellow. I did notice him making some fairly aggressive noises last night. Fingers crossed for the little guys.
Cesmir
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 22:21:29 -0400
To: Lapurrfect <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
Hi Debra,
One of the curly kittens died the other day, and the other one is on the way out today.
I've been breeding cats since 1969, and I haven't ever experienced kittens that just didn't grow - and in researching Selkirks, I didn't run across anything about exceptional difficulty with the curly kittens. I am attaching pictures I just took of the expiring curly kitten and his straight brother - do you have any idea what's going on? They were perfectly equal at birth. Thanks.
Cesmir
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Debra replied:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 22:23:43 -0500
From: "Lapurrfect" <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
To: "Knightwares"
Welcome to the SR. If you have one die it's a curly one. Partly I'm sure was because the father was the sire. Hopefully the next litter will be different.
Debra
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 23:36:49 -0400
To: Lapurrfect <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
Hi,
Well, I know poop happens but wasn't expecting any because everything went so well with the delivery and initial appearance of the kittens, etc. Have you seen this just no grow thing before? When we met, you said that the male your sister had that would have fathered the litter, if there was to be one, was a straight chocolate - and that Patch's father was definitely Caesar. Did that turn out to not be the case or did your sister have Caesar? Because if these kittens could have been homozygous, what happened would maybe make more sense. Thanks.
Cesmir
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Debra did not reply.
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:02:14 -0500
To: Lapurrfect <Lapurrfect@speednet.com>
Hello,
I purchased a Selkirk sealpoint and white girl from you in March, arranged through your friend Stephanie; and you promised we would receive CFA registration for her. The reason you did not have it with you was because you had picked her up from your sister, and you said it would take time to get the paperwork. She is doing fine, and we have become very pleased with our Selkirk boy, who has blossomed. We would like to breed her to him, but it seems pointless without the registration for her. Please provide this as agreed - thanks.
[again, I provided the address to send the papers]
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I wrote to a different email address I obtained online:
Subject: Selkirk Girl
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:11:02 -0500
To: lapurrfectcats@aol.com
Hello Debra,
I purchased a Selkirk sealpoint and white girl from you in March, arranged through your friend Stephanie; and you promised we would receive CFA registration for her. The reason you did not have it with you was because you had picked her up from your sister, and you said it would take time to get the paperwork - but it has been close to 8 months. She is doing fine, and we have become very pleased with our Selkirk boy, who has blossomed. We would like to breed her to him, but it seems pointless without the registration for her. Please provide this as agreed - thanks.
[again, I provided the address to send the papers]
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Debra did not reply to either message.
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I wrote to both Debra Sutherland and Stephanie Smith:
Subject: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:25:53 -0500
To: lapurrfect@siberiankitten.net, Holyfold@aol.com
Hi,
I have been waiting since early March for the papers for the Selkirk female I purchased from Debra. I have written to Debra several times - I have not gotten replies for many months.
Stephanie, when you contacted me and told me about the available Selkirks your friend had and prices, you promised me that I would receive CFA registration. When you told me that your friend wanted cash, I replied that I wanted CFA papers. You assured me that the paperwork was in Texas because the cats had just been picked up from Debra's sister and she would have to take care of it later. I explained to you that I had bad experiences in past with handing money over and then being stuck with unregistered cats. You told me that you would vouch for Debra's reliability. As a relative neighbor and a Christian, I thought I could, so I went along with the plan.
Debra, when we met, you assured me I would get the CFA registration papers for the cat and gave me some pedigree information.& I am forwarding our earlier communication. Later you wrote and indicated that the litter "Patches" had was sired by her father, which didn't make any sense, since I didn't think he was living at your sister's. Since none of those kittens lived, that is now moot.
Please get the CFA registration for this cat to me. ... This is really not fair nor ethical. Thank you for your attention to this.
[again I provided the address to send the papers]
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Debra did not reply.  Stephanie did reply:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:24:37 EST
From: Holyfold@aol.com
To: "Knightwares"
I will see her this weeeknd- I had no idea you did not have them I will get them for you.
Stephanie
Holyfold Scottish Folds
423-261-2049
www.holyfold.com
kittens available
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date:  Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:54:34 -0500
To:  Holyfold@aol.com
Thank you. I am also looking for a couple straight girls, preferably with white.
Cesmir
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Stephanie wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:19:41 EST
From: Holyfold@aol.com
To: "Knightwares"
Selkirk girls- papers will be here this weekend- need another curley?
Holyfold Scottish Folds
423-261-2049
www.holyfold.com
kittens available
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I wrote later:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date:  Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:59:15 -0500
To: Holyfold@aol.com
How old is she? Did you get the CFA papers for "Patches" this weekend?
Cesmir
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Stephanie replied:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:25:27 EST
From: Holyfold@aol.com
To: "Knightwares"
I ended up not seeing Debra becasue of the bad weather- but she is getting a bed I have so I will see her soon. Kitten is 5 months old
Holyfold Scottish Folds
423-261-2049
www.holyfold.com
kittens available
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:41:24 -0500
To: Holyfold@aol.com
Hi Stephanie,
Would you please ask Debra to mail me the papers? I have sent her my address 3 times - it is ...... If I don't get them by 12/31, I'm going to publish the story on the selkirkrex.com website - I'm getting pretty frustrated with the situation. Thanks for any help you can offer.
Cesmir
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Stephanie replied:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:16:57 EST
From: Holyfold@aol.com
To: "Knightwares"
Cesmir,
Debra is the process of moving we are meeting 2nd week of Jan- she has the papers
Holyfold Scottish Folds
423-261-2049
www.holyfold.com
kittens available
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:30:39 -0500
To: Holyfold@aol.com
Stephanie,
If you can give me an address where she will receive mail, I'll send her a stamped envelope to send the papers to me. Can this be done?
Cesmir
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Stephanie replied:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:46:54 EST
From: Holyfold@aol.com
I will call her today do you have her phone # (gave old #). I do not have her address
Steph
Holyfold Scottish Folds
423-261-2049
www.holyfold.com
kittens available
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:32:50 -0500
To: Holyfold@aol.com
Hi Steph,
I don't see what good calling her would do (for me), as I have communicated by email several times and she was getting my messages. I am willing to mail her the self-addressed stamped envelope so she can just put the papers in the mail, but I need an address where she will be receiving mail to do that. If she gives you a date that I will definitely have the papers by, please let me know. Thanks.
Cesmir
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Stephanie replied:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:47:45 EST
From: Holyfold@aol.com
I can not get ahold of her as soon as I do I will get you an address- we are planning a trip to OH in Jan she is going with me unless something happens I will get the papers then.
Stephanie
Holyfold Scottish Folds
423-261-2049
www.holyfold.com
kittens available
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:12:51 -0500
To: Holyfold@aol.com
Hi Stephanie,
January is almost over - no papers. Please tell your friend that I want to give her the cat back for full refund if she cannot/will not provide the CFA registration as promised.
Thanks.
Cesmir
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Stephanie replied:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:24:53 EST
From: Holyfold@aol.com
Debra had your papers when she was here- we got busy and then forgot about them- I hate it that I am in the middle of this certainly have learned a lesson-she will mail them to me this week- I will leave them at the vets when I get them
Steph
Holyfold Scottish Folds
423-261-2049
www.holyfold.com
kittens available
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 16:44:39 -0500
To: Holyfold@aol.comHi Steph,
That'll be great. I have an appointment with (vet) the week after this, so it could work out well. Or she can mail them directly to me at (address). I am sorry that you are in the middle of this, too, as it hasn't helped us develop a relationship - but since I relied on your say-so to go ahead and Debra has not been willing to communicate with me, I didn't feel there was any choice but to involve you. Thanks for your help.
Cesmir
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:39:18 -0500
To: Holyfold@aol.com
Hello Steph,
I have checked at the vet's repeatedly but they tell me nothing has been left for me. It has now been over a month since you last wrote that they would be there shortly and over a year since I got the cat. This whole thing is extremely depressing. Talk about learning lessons - I thought I had learned this one before. I guess this is another variation.
Thanks for any help you can provide - I put off writing as long as I could because I really hate this.
Cesmir
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Stephanie replied:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 00:08:48 EST
From: Holyfold@aol.com
To: "Knightwares"
I got some papers from CFA I think they are on your cats (think) is the operative word- there is something wrong with the previous owner I think I have a call into Deb- I have no idea why I got them from CFA.
Steph
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:32:17 -0500
To: Holyfold@aol.com
Hi Steph,
Now I'm even more confused. I thought Deb had the papers with her when she was at your place. I'm only looking for papers on one female Selkirk - sealpoint and white shorthair curly aged about 2-1/2 years at this point. Deb wrote me last March she knew that her sire was Ch La Purr'fect The Great Ceasar Seal Lynx Point/Wh SRX 5760-1300528 but needed to check on the dam. ??
Cesmir
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Stephanie replied:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:19:37 EST
From: Holyfold@aol.com
To: "Knightwares"
As usual I get the brunt of messes...I do have a CFA litter slip from CFA taht I am trying to get with Debra about.
Stephanie
Holyfold Scottish Folds
423-261-2049
www.holyfold.com
kittens available
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I wrote:
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Selkirk Girl, Sweetwater, etc.]
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:48:13 -0500
To: "Knightwares"
To: Holyfold@aol.com
Well, let me know asap. I'm sure we'd both like to have this in the past. Thanks.
Cesmir
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Subject: Re: ?
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:40:52 -0400
To: "Knightwares"
To: Holyfold@aol.com
Stephanie,
Any progress on Patches' papers?
Cesmir
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SO, DEAR READER, do you have any idea why these people have led me on this non-merry chase after taking my money and giving me the care of an unregistered cat?
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Here's an interesting addition
Subject: Debra Sutherland
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:26:04 EDT
I just ran across your complaint on Selkirkrex.com regarding Debra Sutherland. I too got a kitten, a Siberian,from Debra. She never sent me the papers and has not answered any correspondence.

Did you ever have any luck getting the papers for your cat? I'm wondering how many others she has done this to?

Hope to hear from you.

Mimi Cohen